I guess business is slow over at Orange County Choppers...
pltctytc, I think you've missed the entire point of this article. There are so many flaws in your argument (and grammar) that it hurts my head to even try to explain it to you. When can we stop hating one candidate or another and start supporting our President, regardless of who they are? What happened to respect for the position? The President is, after all, just a human like you and I who may and likely will make mistakes but so long as they do their best, that's all that can be asked. I didn't vote for Romney but if he wins the election I am not going to scorn him and shake my fist at him for four years. I am going to do my best to support him and hope that he does a good job, because he will be my President and my voice, whether I like it or not. If we truly are so concerned about the state of our country and how we look to others, we need to stop the constant fighting amongst ourselves and within our own government and act, care, and support each other as Americans, without this great divide we have now. Happy voting.
It should be noted that we've been having trouble on the back end with some comments not coming through. They're all up now and in order, but there are some duplicates. If you have duplicates, please delete them for the sake of consistency. Thanks!
This is mainly in response to Andrew’s rebuttal to my initial comment, but since it is not showing in this thread for some reason, I will try to make it applicable to all.
I believe the main basis of my reply was misconstrued and I would like to make my statements clear. I’m not stating Andrew was wrong in his opinion. I would never tell someone their opinion is wrong, simply because it leads to arguing in circles and nothing more. In fact, I tend to agree with where Andrew is coming from and probably have a lot in common with him. I clearly enjoy the same music as him, so he’s okay in my book. Actually, this was the first time I had gone to Warped Tour in at least five years simply because I thought the lineups were just not that great previously. And I am not “backing” anything. I would rather stick a fork in my ear than listen to half of the music that is available today. But just like I would never argue Andrew with his opinion on this subject, I would not tell someone that their choice in music is wrong. As Andrew suggested, the target demographic for this particular tour is young people. Teens. Let’s face it, we all made not-so-great decisions as teens. Just let them do their thing and learn on their own without shoving down their throats why they are wrong. Every generation has had its one hit wonders. Just let it run its course short course and let it fizzle out, as it likely will. I’m just tired of the “everything I don’t like is bad and you’re stupid for liking it” mentality that is so rampant right now, especially in music.
The main issue I had with this article is its lack of grounding in a solid argument, and that is why I added some facts that were not addressed. It seemed like nothing more than a slew of attacks and accusations with little to no support to back them up. And the support that was given was based on opinion and half-truths that lead to nothing but opinions layered with more opinions. Personally, I felt it was a poorly constructed argument that was even immature at times. When I was taught to write and construct arguments, I was taught that all observations needed to be grounded with evidence in order to be reputable (and taken seriously). I guess not all people where taught the same. There are more points I could make regarding Andrew’s response to my comment, but since it is not showing up in this thread, I will refrain. (But he does use lots of exclamation marks to validate his argument! That’s how you make a point! Yelling! Yes!) Also, surely a good writer can’t assume that their current work is validated by their previous work and that a casual reader will read all previous entries before reading a current one. That’s like saying Guns N’ Roses’ Chinese Democracy should get a pass because Appetite for Destruction was so great. Just no. I am familiar with the content so I know better, but someone who maybe saw the article in passing might not. Are they expected to give an article they dislike a pass because the author wrote another article earlier that they enjoyed? I’m sorry, but that sounds exactly like what I was accused of doing in giving music you don’t like a pass. Bottom line, I posted my response because I love and care for Creative Loafing very much and it bothers me to see a writer add to our content with poorly supported opinions and arguments, regardless of subject matter. It is nothing but a disservice to the reputation of the entire company and I hope future articles will be better constructed.
Side note: Andrew, I took a look at some of your photos and they are great, truly. Keep up the good work.
Firstly, I am a full time employee of CL, so if you respond please do so not thinking that I am just some casual reader who doesn't understand the content and tone of CL. And here we go...
Okay, if there is one thing I cannot stand it is people who are narrow-minded music listeners. Music changes. Is it all great? No, but insulting the people who make it or the people who enjoy it does nothing but stifle the art for fear that they might make music that someone with blog privileges doesn't like and might bash them for. Did you stop to think how your article might affect a kid who maybe saw their favorite band play at Warped Tour and maybe decided he would like to make music in the future? You and I are contemporaries (I am 23). I too went to Warped Tour this year and thoroughly enjoyed myself. Did I like every band? No. Nor did I expect to, considering there were about 80 bands playing. But I did not bad mouth the bands I didn't like or their fans because it's just my opinion and I am mature enough not to make someone feel lowly for their musical preference. When we were younger and listening to the bands you mentioned having nostalgia for, I'm willing to bet there were people in their 20s or older who disliked the music you held to such high esteem. Maybe some of them voiced their negative opinion and made you upset (I know it happened all the time to me. Still does). So don't be that guy. Don't be a hypocrite.
If you're upset about the lack straight-forward punk rock on the tour, then you are severely out of touch. The tour has changed with the music and the ages. The tour is largely about exposing people to new music. Warped Tour and Kevin Lyman have done great things for the exposure of all kinds of rock music. The tour has proved to be the starting point of the careers of many great bands. The punk rock acts on Warped Tour are scarce and have been for many years. You complaining about that is like someone going to McDonald's and complaining that the chicken isn't real meat after all these years. Where have you been? I hate to break it to you, but the bands that you stated that you enjoy such as Taking Back Sunday and New Found Glory aren't punk. Pop punk maybe, but you negated your argument when you voiced you disappointment of the lack of punk rock but then stated the bands you enjoyed.
Also, the shot at bands having tents to sell merchandise? Really? Do you know anything about what it takes to be a touring band? Most bands rely mostly on the money made from selling those $20 shirts just to afford gas to make it to the next city. (Luckily on Warped Tour a BBQ is held everyday for the bands. Young bands touring on their own often have to choose between affording gas or food. They most often choose gas). As for the size and customization of the tents, the record labels typically pay for those in order to catch the eye of potential fans. In addition, the comment about the "assortment of overpriced, artery-clogging treats" is only a half truth. You failed to mention to that concertgoers are allowed to bring their own food and water and that the tour also has a station to refill their water bottles for free. So I fail to see your logic in these attacks.
If you don't enjoy the bands, don't go to the show for the purpose of degrading those who do enjoy it. Bottom line, people like you are killing the progression of art. If you're so close-minded then listen to what you like and leave the rest alone. If you want to sound like a punk rock elitist, then listen to The Ramones or Sex Pistols, not the bands you listed (though I also enjoy them very much). But please, don't try to make others feel lesser for their tastes. Times change and so does music along with it, and maybe should your clouded outlook. You're trying to paint the Warped Tour as this evil thing that is destroying the current state of music, but if you ask me, it's people like you who speak without care as to what affect their words may have.
Oh, and in reference to your flawed and desperate shot at bands "clad in more black, worn denim than a Hell's Angels reunion", I leave you with this: http://bit.ly/RwSfyT
Good day, sir.
The shorter format works great when the opening sequence takes up half the video!
Great review. I was going to stay far away from this movie, but now I'm considering giving it a chance.
Powered by Foundation