Doug, you may be right but what if the Obama regime restrict the number of magazines you can buy or possess? The green eyeshade louts will figure that out and posit that if high capacity mags are banned then the number of low capacity mags will also be dictated.
Just wait for it!
Give an inch ...
Excuse me, but yes we firearm owners are wary of too much government. We don't believe that the government should "make things right for parents" but that parents must make things right which is their responsibility.
A responsibility that the mother of the Sandy Hook shooter (may she rest in peace) neglected. She knew her son was troubled but left firearms in the home where he had access! She should have locked them away, including ammo, but she did not.
Does the inaction of that poor woman warrant the government taking over and dictating yet again?
Just wait ... Obama gets away with this and in a few years all guns will be confiscated because yet another evil person will use a firearm for the media to jump on and call for even more gun control ... resulting in nobody but police and military owning firearms.
Just try to manage the millions of firearms that are already in possession.
It will be Waco all over again (google "waco" kiddies because you most likely did not learn about it in school) ...
I"m just sayin' ...
Nice rant, Marty. Like most Liberals you are long on name calling and short on facts. You are also woefully ignorant of the Bill of Rights and the Constitution. I would expect nothing less from an obviously Liberal education. Your professors are proud of you.
Yeah I own guns/weapons, all kinds. BUT not an ASSAULT WEAPON. I have no need for it. I am also retired Military, well traveled and educated. We have no tyranny here like the above person called Dan(sheeple) in the long dialogue with Doug(who has an actual intellect). Some peoples narrow minded sheeple version of God is insulting to my intellect. The NRA's outright rape of the our constitutions 2nd amendment is a sin all to itself. I at one point was a lifetime member of the NRA. I rescinded my membership along with POTUS George W. Bush way back in the early 90's. The crackpot director of the NRA, La Pierre is a schill for the Gun/Weapon manufacturers, nothing more. The european gun manufacturers sell 75% of their weapons to the U.S. Do you not think that statistic is a little skewed? You gun mongers need to travel a little more and really visit a country that his a tyrannical corrupt ruling government. See what all the guns in Mexico have done for the war with the Narco Traficantes.
"Without defense lawyers or judicial review, "police can restrict citizens' personal freedom, and not just police but the whole government can use this kind of method to restrict the freedom of any people they feel may harm them and should be controlled, such as the Falungong," a banned spiritual group, he said."
Anarchy is good. It's been demonized in the media. We are conditioned from birth to think we need government. We don't. Government is evil. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Government must go or we will wake up one day not only as mental and financial slaves but living on fiefdoms as well. The rights are ours and I see no reason to share them with government and corporations whose only motive is profit. They don't know love. They lie. They steal. They kill. Everything taught in public education and higher learning is lies. Until humanity comes to grip with that and stops calling people who know the truth a bunch of conspiracy theorist we will make no progress toward our collective goal of re-uniting with God.
Background: I grew up in Columbus MS, a town of about 25,000 in the northeast corner of an agricultural state. Starting first grade in 1945 and graduating in 1957, it was the Jim Crow era and that’s all I knew. However, I joined the Army a month later and was transported into a totally different world and had to unlearn some things while learning new ways. Retiring in 1978 after living 16 years overseas in nine countries (including war time Vietnam) and spending time in 21 more, I moved to Tampa and graduated from USF in 1983.
The first high school class reunion happened while I lived in Turkey but I’ve attended the rest of them at five year intervals. They’ve always been pleasant I’ve looked forward to them.
Now, the purpose of this long “letter” is to provide some insight, via the email exchanges below, to “down home” Tea Party rhetoric from a classmate who never left Columbus. I started it after Newton because I was furious.
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Email #1 I wrote and sent to most of my email list including some from the Class of 57:
I tried to email the following to the NRA but their web site would not accept it so I sent it to the Times and Trib. As a US Army retiree and Vietnam Vet, I know weapons. America needs less of them, not more.
Regarding the Newtown slaughter, other similar tragedies and the Second Amendment, understanding historical perspective will help solve current problems. Over 200 years ago the concept of “arms” was a single shot musket. Today, “arms” range from derringers to huge assault rifles and everything in between. The Founding Fathers’ definition does not fit our modern definition and is no longer adequate.
Our Constitution should be a living document that adapts to changing situations, not a static piece of parchment used for selfish and greedy purposes.
The weapons manufacturers and their NRA lackeys know this. But their money buys hypocritical puppets like LaPierre who naturally want MORE assault weapons instead of less. Profits are more important than people.
The single word “arms” and its alternative “guns” should be replaced with a modern definition that categorizes their lethality, enables some controls and makes us a safer nation. “Arms” are no longer used against the British but are against each other.
(Email reply from one of the Class of 57 who Ccd several other classmates still living in Columbus)
I can't believe you want our weapons taken from us. I know you think they can start with a few until we finally get back to the musket but all other countries have more than the musket now. I WANT YOU TO BE THE ONE OUT FRONT THROWING ROCKS AT NORTH KOREA AND IRAN WHEN THEY ARE COMING AT THE US TAKING US OVER WITH OUR OWN GUNS TAKEN FROM US RIDING IN OUR TANKS AND OUR HEAVY ARTILLERY WEAPONS. I HOPE YOU CAN SAVE UP ENOUGH ROCKS TO SAVE AMERICA AND PROTECT US, OUR CHILDREN AND GRANDCHILDREN. DRUNK DRIVING CAR ACCIDENTS, BUS ACCIDENTS, AIRPLANE ACCIDENTS ARE TAKING MANY, MANY MORE LIVES THAN OUR GUNS. IT IS THE SICK ON DRUG GOONIES BEING SUBJECTED TO THESE WEIRD VIOLENT VIDEO GAMES AND VIOLENT MOVIES, NOT THE GUNS YOU ARE SUGGESTING THEY BAN THAT ARE KILLING FAR LESS PEOPLE THAN THE ABOVE MENTIONED DEATHS EACH YEAR. ALMOST EVERYONE OF THESE, AND MAYBE ALL ARE CARRIED OUT BY SICKOS THAT WIND UP KILLING THEMSELVES. NOT A SINGLE ONE OF THESE GUNS WENT OUT AND KILLED SOMEONE BY THEMSELVES!. IF YOU BAN THE GUNS, I SUPPOSE THEY WILL HAVE TO ROB AND STEAL YOUR ROCKS TO CARRY OUT THEIR VIOLENT ACTS. AS LONG AS THEY HAVE THESE VIOLENT VIDEOS AND MOVIES AND TAKE THESE CRAZY DRUGS, THEY WILL PROBABLY RESORT TO KNIVES. THEN YOU CAN GO FOR BANNING KNIVES. BUT YOU CAN STILL DEFEND YOUR FAMILY WITH ROCKS. JUST LOOK AT THESE FOREIGN COUNTRIES THAT HAVE HAD THEIR WEAPONS BANNED. THEY CAN BE TAKEN OVER ANYTIME BY WHOEVER WANTS TO TAKE THEIR COUNTRY AND THE POOR HARDWORKING CITIZENS CAN'T DO ONE THING ABOUT IT. HARD TO STOP A TANK, HAND GRENADE OR BULLET WITH YOUR ROCK. NO ONE DARES TRY TAKING OVER THE USA AS LONG AS WE HAVE OUR RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS BUT IF IT WERE TO EVER COME TO THE POINT PEOPLE LIKE YOU HAVE THEIR WAY, AND WE HAVE NO GUNS TO PROTECT OURSELVES THAN GET YOUR ROCKS DOUG AND GET OUT FRONT CAUSE I WANT TO SEE HOW LONG YOU LAST PROTECTING YOUR LOVED ONES. GOD BLESS YOU! I STILL HAVE THE RIGHT TO PRAY FOR YOU.
Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2012 12:01:14 PM
Subject: Fwd: Intimidation: NY Newspaper Publishes Gun Permit Holders
Begin forwarded message:
Subject: Intimidation: NY Newspaper Publishes Gun Permit Holders
Today, the Journal News in upstate New York, owned by Gannett, published the names and addresses of all gun permit holders in the Westchester and Rockland county areas of New York. The Journal News said: The map indicates the addresses of all pistol permit holders ...
It has officially begun...
GOVERNMENT WAR ON GUNS!
Get ready. They’re coming for your guns. We knew it would happen and the time is here. The scourge on gun owners has begun. Right now government gun grabbing plans are being covertly organized.
It is the truth and the Tea Party is hearing the battle cry of U.S. Citizens:
"Do NOT let the government take our guns!'
This insane attempt to gun grab is being fueled by the U.N., the Obama Regime, Global Communists and The New Socialist Party - of which, I might add, Barack Obama is still an active card carrying member.
IF YOU VALUE YOUR RIGHT TO CARRY AND
YOUR RIGHT PROTECT YOURSELF
AND YOUR FAMILY...YOU MUST READ THIS
Our Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms is in grave jeopardy. That profound and inalienable right is being shoved aside as our Constitution gets trampled and Old Glory is turned into a laughing stock, a mockery of America.
You better believe it when I tell you that Barack Obama and his commie buddies are hell-bent on seizing, not just America’s guns...but our will to resist.
You see, the Global Communists’ dream is to disarm America so WE THE PEOPLE can’t fight back when they finish annihilating our rights. Gun ownership is in perilous danger of extinction. Obama is getting worried that he can’t deliver on his global communist promises to his liberal progressive masters regarding the disarmament of America - and his desperation is mounting.
It is time to stand up and say:
"NO! YOU WILL NOT TAKE OUR GUNS!'
We need to stand together to protect our
Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms.
Now that Obama has been elected for a second term he’s going to turn up the heat.
Here’s what he’ll do... Incrementally, he will attempt to grab our gun rights.
• a ban on a select type of weapon.
• Then it will be a ban on the manufacturing of certain types of bullets.
• Then it will be severe limitations on the amount of ammo you can buy.
It will go on like this - he will eat out the heart of the Second Amendment unless we stop him and his minions!
But, I will tell you right here and right now: We’ll be damned if we will let him get away with it. WE stand with them and WE will not be bullied out of gun ownership or our right to bear arms. Obama will try an end-run around the Constitution within the next few weeks, but we’ll be waiting for him.
"Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading."
Of all the half-assed notions spewed from the vile recesses of liberal sink-tanks comes the unfounded idiotic notion that the Second Amendment CAN be infringed upon by the limitation of States rights - or by denial of Second Amendment rights to our citizens and our military men and women!
Obama’s toxic rhetoric is not only unconstitutional, but outright unfounded. Not only is there no case law to establish such outlandish and off-base claims, but it is an insult to anyone who can read the Constitution.
As usual he’s making this sh*t up to serve his own world commie agenda.
GUN GRABBING IS COMING AT AN ACCELERATED PACE
FROM MANY DIRECTIONS.
WE MUST ACT NOW TO FIGHT BACK!
"We are proud to stand with Second Amendment organizations and gun owners across America. Together we shall prevail!'
WARNING: the anti-gun coalitions, Communist Party, Neo-Nazis, Washington liberals, politically diseased politicians and the anti- freedom freaks with their feverish lust to remove our fundamental rights will stop at NOTHING.
We cannot sit by and wait or watch idly while they pursue their disgusting agenda. And do NOT, I repeat, do NOT underestimate what they will do.
THE ANTI-GUN PINKOS ARE RESORTING TO:
• Condemning military heroes as unfit gun owners
• Using tragic events to peddle their anti-freedom wares.
• Forcing child indoctrination against gun ownership
• Fueling foreign disasters to invoke public sympathy against the Second Amendment
• Employing media broadcasts to infuse guilt and shame, targeting firearms owners
• Perverting the meaning of the Second Amendment by politically diseased politicians
• Persuading dirty judges to rule in a jaded manner on gun critical cases
• Vilifying gun shows as unsafe, illegal, dangerous and illicit.
THE ANTI-FREEDOM, ANTI-GUN MOB IS GROWING
...but we’re bigger and more powerful!
The United Nations agenda is pushing to disarm all Americans. Think about it: why would they do that? For POWER over the people. To make American citizens defenseless so when they put their commie conversion plans into action, we have no way to defend ourselves or to fight back!
WE THE PEOPLE MUST NIP THIS IN THE BUD AND DO IT NOW!
I know this is not an easy topic and the thought of gun grabbing should scare the bejezus out of you. It does me. I assure you that there is help - a way to fight back hard and win! The Tea Party is committed to preserving the Second Amendment right of the people to keep and bear arms.Every time socialism and vile One-Worldism rears its ugly head we must slap it down. Body-slam the anti-freedom idea to the mat! It is time to take-off the gloves. WE THE PEOPLE must send Washington a message they will never forget. They need to hear us loud and clear. I told you moments ago the Tea Party is committed to your constitutional right to keep and bear arms and we are doing something about it.
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You, my friend and fellow Patriot, have seen for yourself the threat that is now at the door.
• Gun shows are in jeopardy...
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(My reply to him)
Dan, sadly, your missive lacks a single original thought and merely reiterates a fixed position created by others. In other words, a perfect Tea Party follower and puppet.
Regarding weapons, I fired them ranging from a snub-nosed .38 drawn from a shoulder holster up to a 50 cal anti-aircraft gun and all in between including machine guns, fully automatic rifles and almost every handgun the Army had in my era.
I don't know if anyone has ever tried to kill you in several different ways over a period of 15 months or how many dead people you’ve seen up close. I don't know if you've spent 16 years overseas living in nine countries, spent time in 21 more for a total of 30 countries and learned five languages. I don't know if you spent 20 years in the military, then graduated from a university and was a single parent for ten years who never owned a TV but did play sports. I don't know if you can still run a 5K foot race in 36 minutes and 40 seconds - but I did eleven days ago.
If you had experienced any or all of the above, maybe your ideas would be different. Maybe you could even think for yourself!!
America has never been invaded so guns are not used against foreign enemies. Guns are used against each other. America has 300 millions guns now but the manufacturers want to sell even more. That is greed, the same greed cigarette makers showed by manufacturing lethal products and claiming they were not.
Obviously, you don't see that. Your view is bottom up, not top down. Repeating a mantra is useless; thinking about a problem is required. Working for constructive change is honorable, obstructing progress upon demand by the NRA is simply a being a follower, not a leader.
So I'm asking you to pray for yourself because I'm a free thinker, non-ideologue, independent and very happy man. Unfortunately, you’re stuck in the mud.
( his reply)
Doug, I expected crap like this from you! What has all of your past history got to do with banning guns in this Great Country. It appears the entire time you were serving our great Country, you had all these wepons to protect (WHO), you from the enemy. You didn't want them banned then. I don't subscribe to any of the materials you spoke of and not even a member of the NRA! As far as being a follower, I had much rather be a True American Patriot following all my trustworthy Patriots being able and protecting this Great Nation than to be the sort of leader you claim to be. A 70+ year old man (and I don't care what kind of shape you are in), as the old saying goes, you would be the last person to be chosen on any team! And for good reason, you better be in good shape because trying to run with a pocket full of rocks would make you about as useless as tits on a bull. You can call me what you want to but all our Class Mates and Friends you are sending your ideas to are like me, FED UP WITH IT! You can take Polosi, Reid , Barney and all their cronies trying to ban weapons in the US and take your pocket full of rocks and march the streets and be laughed at (CAUSE IT AIN'T GOING TO HAPPEN) TRUE AMERICANS THAT LOVE OUR COUNTRY WILL NOT LET IT HAPPEN. STILL PRAYING FOR YOU DOUG.
The point about my 25 years of 5K and 10K racing is the self-discipline and hundreds of training miles that enables competition, concentration and perspective about what is and is not really important.
Basically, regarding weapons (known as “arms” and “guns”), I advocate categorizing and licensing them to qualified individuals. Like vehicles and other lethal objects, the owners should be responsible and accountable. Weapons are only hardware and just like computers need software in the form of ammunition. That should only be produced for hunting or target practice, not in large clips holding multiple rounds.
What target or animal requires that firepower? If a hunter can’t hit it with a few shots it deserves to go undamaged.
Obviously, the latest tragic series of bullets fired from automatic weapons using large clips into innocent children does not affect you and your ilk. Absent those weapons of mass destruction, how could one kill so many?
You think our nation’s Founding Fathers would be proud of us? Do you really believe a single phrase “the right to bear arms” written hundreds of years ago is worth blindly following now that we have 300 million weapons floating around America? Did you ever consider that maybe the greedy gun manufacturers have something to do with our current situation?
In conclusion, I fully realize that I will no longer be welcome at our class reunions and fully accept that. I ask you to just remain in your narrow-minded and negative little world because it leaves the rest of us with more comfort and freedom.
Keep your guns there because we don’t need you here.
I am sure, because of your short slightness, you will not be able to comprehend this but maybe some visions will pop into your head that you can remember. As you can see, the corrupt Government takes this step by step. They are putting the blame on the assault weapons to get started because that is where you and your cronies can help them most. This kid in CT could have taken one 12 gage shotgun with one box of 12 shells and done more damage than he did. This kid was mentally ill and stayed in his home all day every day playing a video game that taught him how to do everything he did. When his Mother decided to commit him for help, he decided to carry out what he had learned. He could have shot her with a pistol and carried a shotgun to the school to carry out the rest.
So the plan has to be, make the assault weapons illegal first. Then select the next class, and the third until all classes of weapons are illegal to own. Do you think Japan or anyone would be afraid to attack us then, except you with all your rocks. All of these killings are by crazy people that kill themselves too. You are still blaming the guns! The Government should concentrate heavily on doing whatever can be done to help these sick people and get them taken care of to the point they can't go do things like this. UNTIL THE LAST GUN IS BANNED YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO STOP THESE KILLINGS UNTIL THE PEOPLE DOING THESE KILLINGS ARE TAKEN CARE OF TO THE POINT THEY CAN'T GET OUT AND GO DO THIS, AND TAKE THESE DAMN VIDEO GAMES AND VIOLENT KILLING MOVIES OFF THE MARKET THAT GIVE THEM THE IDEA IN THE FIRST PLACE AND TEACH THEM TO CARRY OUT THE KILLINGS. The sad thing about this is, you cannot let yourself see what our leaders of today are trying to do to our GREAT Country by using such a motive to do it. Knowing weapons like you do, you should be the first to know what is going on. THIS IS WHAT CONCERNS ME ABOUT YOU!.
Take care Doug, I will continue to pray that you will wake up!
I’ve carefully read your arguments, thought about them, took some time to organize my position on the issues and here’s my final thoughts. I’ll read your rebuttal and then this will be over.
Naturally, it hurts realizing I’ll not be welcome in 2017 because you and others are tired of my “crap.”
Using the phrases “Great Country” and “corrupt government” in the same paragraph is an oxymoron and implies paranoia.
Secret agents are not knocking on your door. Foreign armies are not at our shores. It’s been over 250 years since an American weapon killed a foreign invader and now these weapons are only used against each other.
We have a very expensive military force protecting us from invasion so personal weapons are not needed for that reason. Our government doesn’t have any grand scheme to “take your guns away.” That’s propaganda, but you believe it.
Our government does need to regulate the lethality, ownership and responsibility of certain classes of weapons and ammunition. You don’t need a banana clip to kill a deer.
Gun manufactures make thousands of weapons every day and need buyers. They fight regulation because their revenue would shrink. The NRA is their shill and the antiquidated Second Admendant phrase “right to bear arms” is their dogma. Profits before people. Chaos creates sales.
Our government is not corrupt compared to the vast majority of nations. I lived three years in the Philippines and two years in Costa Rica – and THEY are corrupt. I lived three years in Turkey and they are not corrupt but are BRUTAL. Overall, we have the best system in the world but we’re far from perfect and the insane proliferation of lethal weapons is a blight we need to deal with.
Frankly, “believing” what others tell you instead of "thinking" for yourself creates a very small box. I live in a much bigger world. You’re welcome here but without the dogma and the guns.
One more try Doug then I am going to deprive you of the attention it appears you so badly need. First of all, I would like to thank you for allowing me to continue living in our Great USA and so blessed with our Freedoms to do so. It is so sad to see so many of our freedoms being taken away from us almost on a daily basis. Only one Person complain and no more Prayer in our schools, no more Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, In God We Trust being taken off our Money and no more Merry Christmas. Now Doug Hicks wants to take away our Freedom to Bear Arms You don't even know the difference between bearing arms and deer hunting. No hunter takes a weapon with a clip hunting any kind of animal. Most hunters carry a a 243 or 30/06 with a scope depending on what they are hunting. They may even carry a small pistol to shoot snakes. All other weapons are kept in their homes to protect their family as the second amendment allows them to do. If you read the new Feinstein bill being proposed to ban weapons, you will be more able to see where this is going (or probably not in your case) You don't even know the difference between SUPPLY and DEMAND. The makers of all weapons can't even attempt to keep up with the DEMAND in the United States for these Weapons and ammunition. Wake up Doug! I am giving you way more attention than you deserve. You would be of more help if you started the drafting of a new bill to STOP Mothers from throwing their Babies out with the bath water. I am going to send you one more e-mail that should help you understand what people like you are trying to do to our GREAT COUNTRY. I would like for everyone to see your reply to me after you also read the e-mail that is to follow. AFTER THAT, SAVE YOUR TIME, I DON'T NEED YOUR ENTERTAINMENT.
Still praying for you!
Sadly, your last email is full of negatives, anger and paranoia toward “the government” although you don’t specify if it’s local, state or Federal.
It must be tough living in fear.
Your sentences are rhetorical, repetitive and lack a scintilla of original thinking.
So you stay in your tiny little pea patch and I won’t bother you or anyone else in the Class of 57 with my “crap.”
obviously the writer is close-minded and ignorant of the NRA and guns in general.
doesn't matter what the capacity of a gun magazine is...it takes less than 2 seconds to swap an empty mag for a loaded one and with a pocket full of low capacity mags you have the same fire power.
lunatics are going to find a way to accomplish their mission with or without guns/weapons/bombs, with or without security, with or without the constitutional right
I tend to think that American anarchists in the relics of the past, the irony bearded fanatics threw a bomb, it is worth not attach importance to, in addition to the law in the hands of the other gate valve
"Enough with the retweets, reposts, remakes, retreads, cover songs, tribute bands, sequels, zombie references, teenage vampires, cupcake bakeries, T-shirt companies, iPhone/Apple/Mac fetishes, ripoff ’80s synth bands and the fucking YOLOs..." Cheers to that!
On Wednesday, Dec. 5th at the Hillsborough County Board of County Commissioners (BOCC) will vote on whether to give a developer 8.5 million tax dollars to "improve" roads around a vacant piece of land so that Bass Pro Shops will build a big box retail store. There are so many things wrong with this proposal it would take a book to list them all but the first and most important is that the neogotiations for this give-away of our tax money was done in secret (What happened to the Sunshine laws?) Contact the BOCC at hillsboroughcounty.org and tell them not to approve this until we have full Sunshine on the subject.
Wow. Linda, you've found your new metier! This will be both useful and fun.
change is good
hyde park village how many shops are left? easy come easy go
look at channelside closing up but was suppose to be supported by the cruise industry. yea cruisers come to boat, cruise, go home.
look at harbor island what happpened to the mall that was inside there?
what happened to the outlet mall on mlk in east tampa?
the mall that was where the bucs facility is now?
speaking of the bucs? the city NEEDS a football team...they've been going down for years coincidence?
i believe there is a desal plant somewhere around that as usual cost zillions more
a disaster of a reservoir costing millions more
tropicana field, build it and they will come, only because congress threatened to take away baseballs ....where is the crowds to fill it?
trump tower project...
an airport where to get anywhere you better plan on a full day of connections and good luck going international...except london and the occasional zurich. oh and the occasional flight to cuba
tampa the next great city...tampa you will always be small town...lets keep it that way
ok well the bridges are pretty at night
Im fairly new in the business and I dont like being touched and grabbed and let alone, girls are having sex which is degrating. I believe that you dont shir in your own back yard. Most men that may dissagree with me for my comment. But to the disgusting perves, I bet if hookers we're on every neighborhood and soliciting out everywhere, you would complain and file a city ordinance, well same here, I dont like that shit either! Stop being fuking cheap and call an escort, and stay out the fukng clubs!
geez. sounds like you need to get your kids into another sport. try palma ceia little league. if your kid plays BEST they hae him run over. is mise eN PLAce REALLY charging for THEIR OWN PARTY?? tacky.
I know this is an old story but my God...what the hell is wrong with these people? Talk about taking the fun out everything. And if this is how they treat their kids in public, imagine what they do at home. Assholes.
Your incite is flawed.
A solution for the 6-foot rule: get a bunch of those felt-lined collections baskets on long sticks from the local churches. Place money into basket. Pass money to lovely dancer. How about THAT, Ronda Storms?!
FYI - I posted a comment up above (the first one) and I also posted the same
(well, almost the same) comment on the TampaCalling blog
as well as on a Tampabay.com blog
Mr. Tatangelo responded to my 1st comment here. He also responded to my 1st comment
on both the TampaCalling blog and the one on the tampabay.com blog. I responded
to both of those comments. He then responded to my 2nd comment, but only on
the TampaCalling blog. This might sound confusing so I'm taking the liberty
of reprinting the entire conversation thus far here, so it might make more
November 15th, 2007 at 12:50 pm
I couldnt help but notice that you somehow forgot to mention in this commentary
that Black Reign is a member of the Umbrella Corporation, as is Durium Deacon Jones,
who (by pure coincidence?) is (or at least was, at one point in time) employed by
Creative Loafing as a Marketing Director. So much for full disclosure.
Wade Tatangelo Says:
November 15th, 2007 at 2:29 pm
We disclosed that Durium worked here in my Umbrella Corporation cover story.
This article was about tbt* and Black Reign, not the network to which he belongs.
Plus, by the time I wrote this piece Durium was no longer employed here.
Heres the link:
November 15th, 2007 at 6:50 pm
Wade (Mr. Tatangelo),
Ive always noticed (and appreciated) how Wayne Garcia seems to consistently
make note (sometimes even repeated note if its something hes written about before)
in his columns about his past associations/friendships/relationships or employment
whenever hes writing about something where even the possibility of conflict of interest
might rear its head. I admire his honesty. Whether or not Mr. Jones still works for
Creative Loafing might not relate to this story in your view, but from my perspective,
including that fact (regardless of its having been in a past issue) would have
been appropriate. You say not. Okie-Dokie. Youre the journalist, not me.
Wade Tatangelo Says:
November 16th, 2007 at 10:34 am
I make these decisions with my editors. Theyre not made lightly.
For instance, four/five years ago I was a freelance music writer for the
St. Petersburg Times. My editor David Warner noted this in an introductory piece
when I started at Creative Loafing in February. Should have this been disclosed
again when I wrote about the Times-owned tbt*? We didnt think it was necessary.
Ok, now it's all in one place, everyone up to speed? Here's my last, and this is
my last, I've wasted far too much time on this already, response. Enjoy!
You asked for my thoughts. I accept the invitation.
You should be careful what you ask for though.
Before I get into it I would like to state that I'm not an avid reader of the *tbt.
That's only because, more often than not, their distribution bins are usually empty
by the time I roll by them and I'm not going to drive around and around South Tampa
looking for one that still has a copy left in it. I actually do read Creative Loafing
fairly regulary though, finding a distribution bin with plenty of copies still in it is
hardly ever a problem. That might sound like a dig but it's actually the truth.
Personally, I think that what I now know was the intentional ommision of those two facts
wasn't a good idea. Those two facts (or maybe it's actually three, but who's counting?)
being that (1) Black Reign is a part of the Umbrella Corporation, as is Durium "Deacon" Jones,
who was, but no longer is, employed by Creative Loafing and (2) you were a freelance music
writer for the St. Petesburg Times in the past. I would have included the first group of facts
so any potential readers would know that there is/was some sort of tie (however minute) between
yourself, the company of which you are currently employed by, and the artist who you are defending.
That would have given any potential readers the opportunity to have read your article more objectively
(in my opinion). Of course I can understand why that particular disclosure was not included
in your article, chances are it could open the door to letting the average reader look at it
as some kind of cheap shot retaliatory piece and that wouldn't have serves your arguement well, I guess.
Maybe the decision not to include your previous connection with the St. Petersburg Times was correct.
I mean it's not like you were really employed by them as freelancers arem't really considered full time
employees are they? I could be wrong but isn't that why they're called freelancers, they submit articles
and the potential employer decides if they're worth paying for or not, if they are, the freelancer
gets paid, if they're not, well, better luck next time, right? Your occasional employment with
the St. Pete Times probably is a moot point anyways. I only say that because it's fairly obvious
that Creative Loafing has an established gripe about the *tbt already. While you and the Creative
Loafing team might want people to think it's all about how they're "yellow journalists" or something
along those lines it's more likely about how they probably put a crimp in the Creative Loafing's
advertising revenue. Of course that's only my personal take on the situation, I could be way off base.
Probably not though. Ok, I guess that's my response to the question of whether or not the exclusion
of those facts was a good call or not. Maybe I'm still on the fence though, it's hard for me to tell.
Allow me to address some of the many things about the actual article that you wrote that I just don't get though.
The first one is in regards to the following excerpt :
""I mentioned to Korr that Tbt* music writer Julie Garisto did a mini-profile on Black Reign that ran in June.
In it, the man born Anthony Blocker never alludes to being a real life gangsta.
Were killing ourselves over whos the best or whos tougher, Black Reign said in Garistos piece.
You never hear about Michelangelo or Leonardo da Vinci arguing over who was the best painter.
Hip-hop is a craft. People need to come together if its to grow."
This excerpt caused me to give myself a nasty scab where I scratched my head so hard trying to both figure it
out and also why you chose to include it. The first thing was that it's pretty much been established that
Michelangelo and Leonardo da Vinci actually did have a bitter rivilary with each other. If they were alive
today I seriously doubt that they'd be MySpace friends. More likely they'd be trading shots on the streets
of Florence. My money would be on da Vinci, he'd surely have built at least a prototye of one of his many
gnarly weapons while Michelangelo would have been throwing wads of parchment or clay or something in return.
No real contest there. I guess my first point there is that this quote was a result of Black Reign not
really knowing what he was talking about. Fair enough. What REALLY confounded me was why you chose that
part of the quote to reference in your article, besides it being ridiculous (in light of the facts about the
true relationship between the two artists) I couldn't really understand why you included it, especially
when you look at the second half (the part you didn't include in your article) of the same quote.
It was this :
"There are too many egos, too much gimmickry. All this blinds the world to the artists who have something
unique going on in their performances. Me, I write songs that are interesting, without a gimmick.
I'm just doing me."
Now I find that quote much more interesting, and much more relevant. Allow me to explain.
When I read that part of the quote it makes me think - "Well, this guy (Black Reign) is saying that hip-hop
has a lot of performers who use gimmicks to gain popularity. He claims that he's not one of those performers,
that he doesn't use gimmicks (which I take to mean that he's the same guy on stage as he is off), he's not
"fronting" or creating a false persona to be accepted, rather he's just being himself.". Maybe I've totally
misunderstood what he's trying to say there, maybe not. Whatever the case may be, I think the quote you
included was, well, fluf, and hardly relevant to your story, the second part (which I reprinted above) seems
to be more relevant to the whole issue of whether or not Black Reign claims to be a real-life gangsta or
actually "tougher" than he actually might be in real life. To be totally honest, I haven't bought any of
Black Reign's mix tapes, nor have I seen him perform. I have listened to the songs he has posted on his
MySpace page though, and while I'm not going to go to the trouble of transcribing his lyrics here (forgive me)
I will say that, in song, it seems to me that he does try to come across as a tough guy, the kind of guy who
isn't going to take any shit or (I think the following is a correct quote but I really have no desire to listen
to his tracks again so it might be off) "talk things out". I guess I'm trying to say that, despite his
claim that "I'm just doing me.", I just don't buy it. Maybe if his songs were about working the old 9 to 5
and then going out to his car to put on a doorag, hip threads and some serious bling before getting on stage
to tell people how it goes down on the cold, hard streets of Brandon, well then I'd buy his "just doing me"
thing. It's kinda like the "gutterpunks" who go spanging after getting dropped off in downtown St. Pete
by dear old Mom in her new Benz. Laughable. Again, when you get down to it, I think I do understand why
you didn't include that second part of his quotation, it wouldn't have added any strength to your arguement.
More than likely it would have underminded it. I still can't figure out why you included the excerpt of the
quote that you did though, as it really doesn't have much to do with your article. Maybe that was the intent,
I'll admit, I've probably totally gotten off base here and not addressed the "real" issue but I don't think
it matters. Does it? I've tried to put my jumbled up thoughts into words and chances are I haven't done a
very good job of it. What the hell. At least I tried.
In conclusion I guess I'd say that I really think your column was just an excuse for Creative Loafing to
heave another cheap shot across the *tbt bow. I find it hilarious because it's not like Creative Loafing
is really in any position to levy charges of unprofessionalism against anybody else. C'mon, let's be real,
the C.L. is just as much of a rag as the *tbt, both publications basically suck, that's why they're free right?
Well Mr. Tatangelo, it's been fun, a total waste of my time but, hey, I feel like I owe it to you, I mean you
consistently discredit yourself further and further in practically everything you write, I love how you make
serious gaffes and then how your editors and fellow staff members back you up, I amazed that you've never said
that you're sorry for anything you've written, no matter how uncool, flawed or unprofessional it might be,
you truly are one in a million and I couldn't think of anyone alive more suited for your position with Creative Loafing.
I'm ashamed to admit it but I'm looking forward to your next awkward, in print, faux-pas. I can't imagine
what you'll do or say next. No doubt you will surprise me. Gotta love it.
P.S. - If you're thinking - "Wow, this nut-job really doesn't like me!" - you're right, I don't.
We've never met and I truly hope it stays that way. You're best off not asking why though, I'm positive
you wouldn't like to know.
I do apoligize for my rotten grammar/punctuation/run-ons/etc., I honestly never paid much attention in school.
is the fact that because of a senseless act someone is dead... both TBT & CL are capitalizing on a travisty with these articles
shame on both of you!!!
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