Friday, May 1, 2009

"Realists" and "optimists" in the permaculture world

Posted by Wayne Davis on Fri, May 1, 2009 at 6:00 AM

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Concerns for the disastrous consequences of Peak-Oil and Climate Change are the most obvious reasons for "Going Green". A great deal has been written about both subjects and it is not my desire to discuss the merits or lack thereof of either topic. You have probably "framed" your own position by now. I do posit the belief (based on the science I have seen) that the global production of sweet crude has peaked and that our species is responsible for major disruptions in the natural rhythms of the earth upon which we depend for survival.

In my last post I referenced Rob Hopkins (and I do so again). It would be well worth your time to listen to his interview if you have not. As an instructor and major advocate of permaculture he has great insight on how we need to approach the future collapse of America. The "Transition Initiative" is a methodology he and others have devised to help the communities of villages and hamlets in the U.K. understand the risks of complacency and move toward post-carbon solutions. They say that it is not merely going back to the past in terms of lifestyle but it has all the appearances.

I know enough about permaculture to be dangerous and I will not attempt to illuminate you on the subject. You would learn best through your own investigation of more authoritative sources. My range of experiences includes attending lectures on permaculture and the transition initiative given by various "certified" individuals, reading a variety of books, and searching and digesting hours of internet videos and web sites ("Establishing a Food Forest" is exceptional). Permaculture has been presented to me as a large umbrella that encompasses literally all human endeavors which sustain human civilized life (economy, energy, transportation, food production and so on). Not to in any way belittle the image of permaculture but it seems that the term is most commonly used with respect to organic food production.

Getting back to the Transition Initiative (TI). After some seminars and reading The Transition Handbook by Rob Hopkins I had the following observations: this concept seems to work well in villages and hamlets, and like Totnes, it requires a majority of the village population to understand the dangers of peak oil and climate change and it requires the village to be of "one mind" in the action of transition, power down and energy descent. The TI folks use a film called The End of Suburbia and the lectures and writings of Richard Heinberg (Power Down, The Party's Over) to begin the educational process for the uninitiated with respect to peak oil. (Peter Calthorpe and James Howard Kunstler are also players in The End of Suburbia). In addition the TI process relies on tools such as The World Café to help the community come together to transition towards a more viable lifestyle that will be required after the crash.

That may be a little too much background but I felt it necessary in the presentation of my point of view. The topic of this discussion concerns the "doomers" and the "optimists" or as I like to say the "realists" and the "delusional utopian dreamers". I am willing to play nice, so I'll settle with the "realists" and the "optimists" (R/O) to borrow from Dimitry Orlov's Reinventing Collapse.

Let me be clear that I am only applying the R/O dichotomy for this post with respect to how the permaculturists ("Permies") view transitioning a city like St. Petersburg, FL, (not to mention Los Angeles) into a fully functional and sustainable community in the post-carbon world (that same world depicted so clearly by James Howard Kunstler in "World Made by Hand"). I began studying Traditional Neighborhood Design (TND) about eight years ago and it has aquired another handle, New Urbanism ( I call them "Nurbs"). The Permies, just like the Nurbs, have segregated the world into "zones", where the Permies have six zones and the Nurbs have seven. In the Permie world there is one zone (zone zero) that contains the "house". It is the only zone that contains any built environment. The Nurbs, not surprisingly, have only one zone that is unbuilt, zone T1, the natural zone. The Permies concern themselves, per their zones definitions, with the "house" and all the remaining natural zones that remain unbuilt. The Nurbs are primarily concerned with the built environment and especially with the "city".

Here's the rub: The Permies think they can transition a city like St. Petersburg or Los Angeles. I have spent a good deal of my life in both cities and I think they are totally delusional. My reasoning involves: human nature, existing population densities, the existing built environment and simple logistics. It is important to remember that the post-carbon world envisioned by the Permies has no electrical power, no fuel, everything is made by hand from naturally available materials and that technology will not save us. (I am in agreement there.) Babcock Ranch and SKY are good examples of village designs that can transition.

I have a running discussion with one of my best friends (an optimist) concerning the role that hope should play in the way we shape our views, thoughts and subsequent behaviors. He feels that hope is absolutely instrumental in living his live. That is not how I live my life. Hope, for me, is derived from "faith, hope and charity", which is not a stable foundation upon which to base possible life threatening (or even pleasurable) decisions. I want to know the odds. That chair will probably support me. Less oil with greater demand will probably lead to conflict.

My friend hopes that Obama will pull us through this mess. I perceive that the likelihood of that happening is very low given that the O-man selected and stands behind Timothy Geithner (TG) and Lawrence Summers (LS). Those two guys are major players in the game that got us to where we are now! Trusting them is like believing that democracy should be two foxes and a chicken deciding the dinner menu.

Here's the deal. Look around you. This is the result of thousands of years of humans trying their very best to create a perfect civilization. I am not inspired. Let's look back 75 years and see what direction we humans are going. Read Adam Cohen's Nothing to Fear, about FDR's cabinet members. FDR's cabinet included Francis Perkins - a feminist before her time and the strongest advocate for social welfare programs. She like the other cabinet members fought hard for America to get back on its feet. Now we have the likes of TG and LS doing their best to help themselves, the banksters and their worthless Wall Street crony friends. Hope? Good luck!

Human Nature. Let's take a look at diversity. Doesn't it feel good to know that Charles Manson and George W. Bush are your brothers? We are all in this together brothers and sisters. Give them the benefit of the doubt. They just did what they thought was right (really!). They are just, perhaps, a little "different" than you or me; diverse, if you will.

It might do us well to introduce George Lakoff and his concept of "framing" along with Bob Altemeyer and his studies with the RWA's (Right Wing Authoritarians). Most of us have a point of view, a "frame" of reference. Listen to Lakoff's discussion. After all, who really thinks the entire foundation of their being, their "frame", is flawed in any way? Yet, we are so "diverse" as a species. Sometimes I wonder how anything positive gets done.

The point I am trying to make about human nature and the delusional concept of transitioning St. Pete is that a city with that many people will never hold hands and skip off towards some blissful future united in transcendental love and harmony. James Howard Kunstler paints a much more realistic picture in World Made by Hand. People tend to associate and group themselves into subsets that have similarities.

I guess we'll have to study population densities, the existing built environment, and logistics some other time.

Peace, Love, Dove. Everything is just fine.

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Noticed about that: " the TI process relies on tools such as The World Café to help the community come together to transition towards a more viable lifestyle that will be required after the crash" at the World Cafe, we like to collect and publish stories where people everywhere are using the World Cafe to create value in their lives and work. can you share with us how TI has best utilized the World Cafe? perhaps, it can be placed on our on line community of learning and practice. www.theworldcafecommunity.net

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Posted by David Isaacs on May 1, 2009 at 1:44 PM

Hey there, David. Glad to see you have joined our 'virtual conversation" at The Green Community at Creative Loafing. Within the shared leadership of this community, we definitely plan to host World Cafe conversations sometime in the future. We will definitely keep you and the World Cafe network in the loop. Since last May's Art of Hosting, one of the participants, Pat Kiesylis, has facilitated World Cafes every Friday at Starbucks in St Pete (4th St N and 89th Ave N). They start at 7:30 and go on till a group decides to eat dinner. Pat is now a contributor to this Green Community. We are just getting started, as the site went live April 15. We're open to suggestions. Shall we learn together? Thanks for stoppin by. Sharon Joy kleitsch

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Posted by sharonjoykleitsch on May 1, 2009 at 3:28 PM

Sharon Joy... and others, a question: In designing, convening, and hosting World Cafe conversations, what are the most important learnings that you are having... and how are these learnings making a difference in your lives and work?

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Posted by David Isaacs on May 1, 2009 at 4:46 PM

I'm not worried about Peak Oil. I don't think oil is the end all-be all of our technological advancement. A couple of years ago, the largest crane to date became operational. It has a lift capacity of one hundred tons. Ten thousand years ago, people were stacking hundred ton blocks... all over the world. Riddle me this....

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Posted by Allan Neal on May 1, 2009 at 4:57 PM

Hi David, Sorry i am so late in getting in on the discussion but I want to address your first post about TI and World cafe. Rob Hopkins has a two page spread in The Transition Manual (pages 184 and 185) on Tools for Transition No. 12: Running a World Cafe Event. I think that would be a good place for you to begin to understand how TI uses World Cafe as a tool for Transition.

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Posted by waynedavis on May 1, 2009 at 6:28 PM

hey Allan, Are you really not worried AT ALL about the consequences of that gap between oil depletion and demand? Riddle answer: Space aliens just trying to make an impression....

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Posted by waynedavis on May 1, 2009 at 6:32 PM

Anybody interested in TI: try contacting Les Squires at http://transitionus.ning.com/profile/LesSquires

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Posted by waynedavis on May 1, 2009 at 6:34 PM

Allan, Vine ropes and logs are obviously the ultimate technology. Why didn't we think of that before! Wayne, You've said this before that you don't understand how the TI can say that we won't be going backwards in time but everybody will be riding bicycles and won't have TV. I haven't read the TI manual, but this might be what they are thinking. Most Americans don't realize the difference between "Standard of Living" and "Quality of Life." The TI post carbon world might have a Standard of Living similar to that of the early 20th century. Meaning people would have the same amount of "stuff." However, the Quality of Life could be much better than life in the 20th or even the 21st century. By getting away from labor or oil intensive agriculture and adopting information intensive permaculture, they would have much less hard labor and more free time. Is that what Rob Hopkins was trying to say?

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Posted by Phil ZInk on May 1, 2009 at 8:56 PM

Riding bicycles? No oil, no native rubber plants, no tires...Rob Hopkins has no clear plan, "We are all making this up as we go along, creating the road as we travel along it" Transition Manual- Some closing thoughts. I am not the best person to tell you what Rob was really trying to say. I suggest you read the Transition Manual and World Made by Hand.

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Posted by waynedavis on May 2, 2009 at 9:13 AM

Phil, I'm sorry I forgot to mention that I totally agree with you about the quality of life thing. The consumerist amerikan lifestyle is shit and the future scenarios I envision with far fewer people and almost no modern technology will force us to understand that we really need each other at some very basic levels, not only for survival, but to actualize our true purpose, get ready......, to love each other and expect nothing in return.

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