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Friday, July 25, 2008
Scientology sticks to you like lint.
Posted by Eric Snider on Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 7:57 PM
There’s no doubt that the Church of Scientology has improved its image in the last decade or so. A little less secretive, a little less scary (although still creepy), more the butt of a good joke than a genuine threat.
Nonetheless, before you walk into a Scientology storefront on a drunken lark and fill out some paperwork, consider this:
My brother Kurt just received yet another piece of mail from the Church of Scientology, telling him “You are eligible for a free-six month membership in the International Association of Scientologists.”
Kurt’s been getting mail from Scientology for 29 years. As a 17-year-old living in St. Pete, he was briefly the drummer for a band that included a couple of Scientologists (the band was Tarkhill Firetower, just in case someone might remember).
Kurt — in his callow, impressionable youthfulness — attended a two-hour seminar or some such thing. He quickly decided it wasn’t for him.
But the mail started to come. And it has kept on coming, through more than a half-dozen moves. Kurt now lives with his family in a small town in central Tennessee, not exactly a hotbed of Scientological activity, and he’s more amused than anything.
He’s just glad they don’t have his e-mail address.
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You consider what we are seeing now from that cult to be an improvement!?!? Have you not seen the video of a scientologist (Noelle North) making a little 5year old girl cry a couple of weeks ago? And that's just ONE recent video of scilons behaving unethically. The fact that you seem to write them off as mostly harmless is alarming. Don't let their nonsense fool you, behind their silly, alien, Xenu stories, there is some sinister and harmful motives. Do some research.
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Yes, they love to send out beautiful, glossy brochures, newsletters and various other mailers. I've met people all over the world with the same story. And trying to get OFF the mailing list is pretty much impossible. You see, they need those numbers -- it's how they can claim that there are 100,00 $cientologists. Heh heh
Hey gargy, They claim 10 Million members. In the real world, thank Xenu, there are about 100,000, In the UK there are more Jedi's then $cilons! They count anybody who ever bought a book, took a stress test, did a personality test, or drove up to or by an org! I'm sure their deceased members and ex-members out number the sorta kinda live members. Come join Anonymous at our next protest! We have cake, they have lies. www.enturbulation.org
You know what else sticks to you no matter where you go? The cults ARMY of Private Investigators. Protesters have been followed, stalked, tailed for hours, and met with Cease and Desist intimidation letters at their house, despite attending demonstrations ANONYMOUSLY! Does YOUR church have an investigative division? Show them that they do not own our cities, and they do not scare us anymore! Coachman Park in Clearwater, August 16th, 10:30 am. Wear a mask and lets take back our neighborhoods! www.religionisfree.org
Eric, while the COS has become only marginally transparent in the past few years, know that it hasn't become so without kicking and screaming with all the class of a five year old throwing a temper tantrum. The sad thing is, the public knows more about the COS than most of the current members themselves! Within the COS, there is tremendous pressure to get people to buy the materials, books and all the other pseudoscience garbage. There are numerous eye witness accounts, victims testimonies and documentation of human rights abuses. Please take the time to visit sites like exscientologykids.com, exscn.net, xenu.net and FACTnet.org. All of these sites are run by ex members who escaped the cult and well-informed critics. I hope you'll btake the time to fully educate yourself on the dangerous realities of this vicious cult.
I've been a Scientologist since 1970, and I've now been to most of the websites mentioned. I'm college educated, ran the sales/marketing arm of what grew to an $800M technology company, have two grown kids. I've had the good fortune of being friends with many Tampa and Pinellas area businessmen. I am not a Church staff member. My first question is whether your brother asked off the Scientology mailing list. Just about every "claim" in the above posts are either false, misleanding, propaganda, slanted or sensationalized. What strikes me is that I don't believe anyone of these people have met a Scientologist and they certainly have no clue as to the theology, tenets, goals or aims of Scientology. They focus on minor incidents, most of which happened decades ago (if at all). I have found Scientology to help me improve my life (which wasn't bad in the first place) and raise two kids who are not on drugs and are contributing to a better culture for us all. No Church member EVER forced me to do anything, nor believe any data in Hubbards writings. As a matter of fact, just the opposite, I was encouraged to think for myself. I met several of the Anon protestors two months ago. Two were drunk and they said they were there to "party". They were obnoxious, called names and got off when a driver passed by and honked. I saw just a handful of these guys last month, indicating their followers are getting bored or finding out that in fact Scientology is helping people.
The problem is that the CO$ fights so hard to silence critics, keep from being transparent, etc. Their group behavior is far from normal and arouses much of the suspicion they try act surprised about. Normal churches don't have doctrines calling for total war against critics; going out of their way to squelch the First Amendment; harass ANYONE who opposes or questions them; I could go on and on but there is no need - it is all so well documented. Members say there is nothing odd going on, it is a wonderful organization, whatever, but there is obviously something a miss about these people. They act crazy and say they are sane and expect everyone to just say "Oh, I guess we were all wrong about them - they say they're nornal and our suspicions are unjustified." I don't buy it.
Hey marc; Please stop being a shill for the cult OK? Yes most of the Anons are kids, I've met some of them too and I've never seen any of them drunk or doing drugs at a protest. I bet that I've been to more than you! I would love to meet you and debate some of your points, come to the next protest in Clearwater, bring an open mind and we can see. Most of the Anons really want to help you. They've read Keeping Scientology Working and have found some things that worry them. I read it several times and frankly, it scares me. Come out and really meet them and I if you dare. Please?
http://forums.enturbulation.org/123-leaks-legal/time-talk-feds-nao-23295/ Looks like Scientology isn't so harmless as you think.....
So, let me see if i have this correct. If i am involved in an automobile accident and Tommy boy is not in the area to "drive by", I will DIE???? and with out Tom and his pals at the CO$ I will never "have the abillity to create new and better realities"????? what the fuck is a new and better reality?? reallity IS reallity CO$ FUCKTARDTS
@shellback. Stop being a shill for a hate group. I guess I should expect such ramblings from you though. Anyone who posts is a "shill", is that right? It would be hard to debate you or even find you given the halloween attire. What point exactly in Keeping Scientology Working scares you? And tell me why I should care?
I have a friend - a journalism student - who covered something Co$ related and was there taking pictures and stuff, not harassing Co$ by any means, just covering some event, and she was followed for a week or two afterwards. I mean really tailed by a couple (drones) guys in a beige or brown car. She came out of a store and they were by her car taking pictures of her and her car/license plate. For about a week she said they were everywhere she went. She didn't really care much because she was told by a knowledgeable friend that Co$ers do that sort of thing. They are a cult, after all, with apparently enough to hide that they feel compelled to do those kinds of things. That is not normal behavior for a church to engage in. It is exactly what one would expect of a cult.
I was a $cientologist from the age of 7 (when my parents joined) until my 30th birthday last year. I thank God I made it out alive. It was a living nightmare. I hardly ever saw my parents, was homeschooled by the church with inadequate conditions, was forced to undergo confessionals, had every detail of my life (and previous lifetimes) scrutinized, worked 60 hours a week for virtually no pay, began work at 14 (against the law), was provided with a shockingly bad diet and I was often deprived of sleep. Anonymous has lifted me up so much. I thought no one in the world cared about people like me. They have proved that there are still people out there who care, people who will stand up to an injustice. I will support you guys come August.
Marc, I love how you referred to shellback... "I guess I should expect such ramblings from you though." Let me ask you... unless you are actively monitoring our forums, gathering data on those who post electronically, and then in turn, gathering data on detractors in the real world in order to put a face/name/location to the electronic nickname... how do you know who he is and what to expect from him? I know shellback, I know who he is in real life and why the cult considers him a threat. The REAL question is, how do YOU know who he is? If you are just a public, non-staff Scientologist. And even IF you were a full time staff, how would you have data on an anonymous internet poster? Isn't being called out as an OSA member a downstat for you? Starting the week out in the hole... not a good thing. See you in ethics.
I had a similar problem with scientologists when I lived in Tampa, Florida (about 25 miles from their Clearwater headquarters) I made the mistake of buying their book Dianetics and once they had me in their mail/phone list, they bothered me for a total of 30 times by calls, showing up at my door, hand written letters and it never stopped until I moved away. Whoever is at that address is probably getting bothered still. These people are NUTS! Stay away!
"The government is satisfied that Scientology is socially harmful. It alienates members of families from each other and attributes squalid and disgraceful motives to all who oppose it; its authoritarian principles and practice are a potential menace to the personality and well being of those so deluded as to become followers; above all, its methods can be a serious danger to the health of those who submit to them. The government has concluded that it is so objectionable that it would be right to take all steps within its power to curb its growth." --Kenneth Robinson, British Minister of Health ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eric- put down dianetics and open your eyes.
The creepuy cult is as dangerous as ever before. I know myself here in France of some ten complaints, with sequestration; fraud, suicide; illegal medicine practice; extortion; illegal pharmacy, etc.
Any organization that recruits THAT aggressively must, by logical extension, have an agenda to expand forcefully. That worries me, because one's spirituality should be one's own choice, not as a a result of high-pressure marketing. @Marc: Your post *sounds* reasonable in this sense: Dianetics/Scientology helped me--->What's so bad about that? I'd like to ask you and other Scientologists the same question, regarding a different method of help: I had major depression, sought counseling, and took medications which helped lift that depression. Yet the CoS and CCHR (Citizens Commission for Human Rights - ha!) are actively fighting to destroy psychology and psychiatry, as well as outlaw/ban/restrict/interfere with use of psychopharmacological medicines. You're trying to restrict my rights under the delusional guise of "helping" me. I don't want your help. I got help from appropriate professionals, and am determined that others have access to that help when they need it. CoS members have no respect for others' rights, because they've been brainwashed into believing a delusional worldview that means converting us all forcefully, restricting our options. If we resist, we are to be "disposed of quietly and without sorrow." That's scary, and I oppose it. See you at the next protest.
I hope by know you have researched the subject further because it's clearly evidenced on the internet and from the testimonials that Scientology is a lot more than scarey. Scientology has been counting your brother ( and thousands of others )as one of their membership 'millions' and tracking him everytime he moves intentionally. He's right to be concerned : Once they get his email address or phone number, good luck getting rid of them. Some people are called multiple times a week from diferent staff who btain the information from their database. Scientology is using credit information to track anyone who ever bought a book or did a service. Sounds pretty scarey to me.
@ marc Boy, with all that power (money) and responsibility (money), you're surely way up the bridge. I congratulate you, good sir. Almost fourty years of loyalty, to a organized criminal enterprise. Most people couldn't have done it. Heck, I've not yet met a mobster who has held in as long as you. Then again, they're usually aware of the fact they're up to no good. You're an exceptional specimen, though; of this, there can be no doubt. It must be said, however, these hypothetical "anons" you supposedly met at a protest, could not have been Anonymous, for the only thing intoxicating to an Anonymous is lulz. And caek. Lulz and caek. And honks... for great justice. Eh... Well, by golly... you must not be lying. You met an Anonymous alright. I must give credit where credit is due. I can see, however, it might be easy for a $scientologist to confuse lulz intoxication with drunkenness, simply because there's nothing as ripe with lulz as the act of taking down a global criminal corporation, and having fun doing it. As for why Shellback might find Keeping Scientology Working scary: I cannot speak for him personally, nor can I speak for the Marcabian hivemind, but I find it scary, because it instructs scientologists to vehemently and correctly apply scientology tech to all aspects of one's life. Because scientology tech contains such thing as Fair Game, and the ever popular auditing process "R2-45", the process of exteriorizatizing a thetan with a Colt 45, about which which hubbard said "Death is not the same as clearing but there is, remember, R2-45. It's a very valid technique. A lot of people have used it before now." A valid technique. Like framing someone for making bomb threats, because they criticized scientology. Like infiltrating the government, to mine information related to scientology and scientology opposition within the government, and ultimately with the goal of controlling the government. Like using lawsuits to destroy lives and harass critics. Like spreading lies about critics to the critic's friends, neighbors, employers. Like keeping people from much needed medical and professional mental care, to the point where they die from improper care, or kill themselves because they "squirreled" With scientology's history of zealously applying other aspects of hubbard's tech--which is, in a nutshell, what KSW is all about--can you honestly dismiss the possibility that one of your fellow, more fevered devotees will go beyond the usual fair gaming tactics of harassment, and stalking, to murder? To me, friend, that is scary.
Was in & out of COS since 1960. Decided to quit in 2004. Never (thanks to me) went far over its bridge. Worked for COS & SO some time back. Read the real life story of the founder of COS after I had left. Also found out about the supposed higher levels of the bridge after I left. Glad I left because what I have realized is that the founder of COS liked to exagerate his own lifetime & that of life itself. Imagine trying to teach ethics when one is not fundamentally ethical. The world is getting more people selling traps disgiused as a way to freedom & I was so trapped. Again glad I'm out
Scientology is at best a money-making scam that separates vulnerable people from their money. At its worst, Scientology is a highly dangerous cult that practices mind control on its 'customers' and staff, and conducts sinister Fair Game harassment against anyone who openly questions or challenges. Do your own research. Start here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientology_controversies#Criminal_behavior
who likes child labor,child abuse, and destroying familes? SCIENTOLOGY DOES screw the cult, keep ur kids safe AUGEST 16TH EXPECT US
Every single anonymous protester is a criminal, and Scientology is a beacon of light amongst unenlightened barbarians. Every one of these is deluded and part of a global conspiracy to take over the world for themselves. They want to put in camps, deny us our human rights, prevent us to speak our minds, torture the minds of our children, and everything else. Sorry I made a small mistake... can you reread my comment beginning with 'Every single scientologist...and Anonymous is a beacon of light....Thanks.
Ha, I bet since he is receiving mail from them he is considered one of their "ten million" followers lmao. How many of those mailings are asking for money? Greedy cult is greedy.
The story of Scientology stinking to you like lint is echoed the world over; my local shop keep says he and a mate went for a stress test for a lark when they were 17. His mate put his details down (some mate) and it was only last year when his parents had a solicitor write to them that they finally stopped sending mail, sometimes as often as 3 times a week; he left home 25 years ago, which was 5 years after their lark. That said, their is evidence they are now cleaning up their mailing lists, presumably to save money; he says had they sent him the money instead of the leaflets, CDs, later DVDs etc. it would have been a real help.
It's not about whether Dianetics helped you; it's about abuses of people and the law, written policies of harassment of critics, contempt for 'wog' law, lack of informed consent and lack of financial transparency. "I think that the protections that we enjoy for freedom of worship exist so long as we don’t step over the line. When religious worship and belief cross over into things like fraud, victimization of others and the disruption of the political arena, that protection is no longer appropriate." --Robert Goff
"A walk down the path of history is crunchy with the crispy corpses of those who pooh-poohed or ignored the clown car of ridicule when it pulled up to the curb." -Stephen Jones
Marc, As one that has been on staff I can formally tell you that you have no clue what goes on inside the church or how they actually operate. All you know is one side of the story. Scientology can and has helped people as has many other religions. The problem is how the church operates I.E. the Sea Org. It's all a numbers game with money being the key to Scientology. Now start looking for more outpoints with it and you will start to see them. And do some real research on Hubbard not just what DM feeds you with a spoon. Did you ever knotice the church's stats are ALWAYS up and you never ever hear anything negative at events....it's called stat pushing. Get with reality. The truth is the truth! Knotice how the church also lies about disconnection, or are you sold on that being okay as well. They lied.
I would definitely not agree that the Cult of $cientology has improved its image in recent years.
Hi Annonomous. You ask Scientologist to come out and talk but you are the one's with the masks. We are individuals you are "annonomous". Your aims are not to have a dialogue read what you are saying. Would you like to talk to someone who say's they are out to destroy you? Who is overtly hostile to you? There are many more who feel they have done well by their involvement with it. Would you deny me the right to continue to enjoy those gains? Whatever happened to my right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness?
Life is good when you know how. And Scientology has helped me understand Life. I've found it quite helpful. And have helped others with its ideas.
LMAO...anyone who posts something positive about Scientology is "shilling"? That's funny, brah. Like the fellow above, my life was pretty dang good to begin with, and Scientology has worked wonders to improve it. I am not affiliated with the church management, I am just a dude on the street, I have a job, a house, a car...a Wii? What else? Well I also have a functional, envy-inducing marriage, great relations with others and lots of joy in my life sans "helpers" like pot or pills (which, judging by the looks of some of the unmasked protesters, they can't say for themselves lol). The critics above (who really can't speak in person like they do online...lmfao...my god they'd come across like absolute human trainwrecks) like to throw the MOST controversial or "strange" sounding bits of Scientology around like they are the major teachings of Scientology. In other words, hugely distort it. The Scientologist-man-on-the-street is not going around obsessed with the "shocking" things you profess Scientology is all about. All that stuff is a minor little corner of it that really is given little importance in the grand scheme of things. Scientology is REALLY about functional, fun life. Not "junk from the past," as you'd allege. An ex-staff member above had to work hard. That was kinda...umm...understood, man? No? Staff members bust their asses. Most do great. Big deal, you moved on. Anyway, I am not saying the Church is without it's bad points (yeah, they do send a lot of mail lol), but the level of dialogue and debate really should be focused on more substantive points than "OMGZZZ THEY WORSHIP UFOS DOODZ!!!" It's not true, a complete and utter distortion. And the ex-Scientologists posting here know it, too. Scientology teaches you are an eternal, spiritual being. Big deal, so does Christianity (for the most part) or Buddhism. The difference with Christianity is one of place (where the soul goes, as maybe an oversimplification, but a pretty OK one). Buddhism believes just about exactly the same. All the "shocking" things being bandied about were never hidden...Au contraire...all that "space opera" stuff is in the Technical Dictionary, which anyone in any Scientology courseroom could find, read and be aware of. I was. Big deal. If you buy that you've existed for billions of years, surely lots of stuff has gone down "back in the day." It's not the real, ultimate focus of Scientology. Anyhow, I hope others out there will speak up to inject a little fairness and a little truth into the mud being unfairly thrown. I have heard legit criticism on the net, but it's far outweighed with the weird, seething-hate postings. Galt p.s. creative loafing...my captcha is "panti"?!? lol...
Why is it that scilons like to state that any negative opinion formed about their cult is a lie? Maybe because they've been programmed to do so? We all can't be wrong. All the ex-scn's can't be wrong. All the media outlets, national governments and international groups can't be wrong. Right? Sorry your friend is still being harassed. I hope it stops someday.
Notice Marc never answered how he was able to know, in real life, who an anonymous internet poster was. I have no problem with the scientology beliefs. I think... they're insane... and manipulative... but its as much my right to believe that as it is a scientologists right to believe in their faith. What anonymous takes issue with is the tactics of Organized Scientology. We oppose what the leaders have done to supress the outside world. We oppose illegal, illicit and surpressive acts by those who control your church. We support the Freezone and their right to practice freely the Tech of Scientology. Scientology has and will continue to help people, but organized scientology and the squirrels who run it cannot be allowed to continue damaging both those within and without scientology. The leaders of the church have squirreled the tech, removing it from LRHs original context. Golden Age of Tech? NEW Basics? UPDATED Versions of the tech that was, is, and always will be perfect? You say that the tech is perfect, but that the application of it was mishandled, and thus it needed to be updated? How long was that bad tech delivered under the nose of The Source while He was still alive? How long did Hubbardand his PERSONALLY TRAINED Class 12 auditors, distribute, and further erroneous tech? And if imperfect tech doesn't work, how do you account for the 30+ years scientology opperated on flawed, or misconstrued tech? Does that seem likely to you? That Hubbard would not notice errors in the administration of his own tech while he was alive? So either Hubbard was delerious, inattentive, dismissive, a bad admin, or flat out erroneous; Or David Miscaviage is squirrelling the tech.
Scientology is a criminal cult organised to strip people of their critical thinking and then their money. Scientology preaches family breakup and racism. Go to Youtube and watch the 'Scientology Exposed PSA: Not Equal' video. Go to http://www.exscientologykids.com/ and read about 'disconnection'. Do not be surprised if victims post on this page claiming 'good things' about their experiences. They've been trained to ignore their instincts. They've been ripped off without mercy told lies to justify their gullibility. They will seek to heap praise on the source of their ruin to hide their shame.
What kind of church makes you sign a contract before you can join? Have you ever seen a $cientology soup kitchen? What kind of church charges $200,000.00 to get to the higher levels, (where you learn about Xenu and the space cooties)? It's all about the money. You have it, they want it, they will stop at nothing to get it, until you are drained.
Scientology is a scam, always has been and still is. Hubbard was a con man and a lier who invented the religion to hide his misdeeds. I\\\'m sick of people calling it a religion because its not. Its not a church either. Its a con job and a fraud disguised as something benign. All Scientology is concerned with is the contents of your wallet, bank account and just about everything else you own. Read it for yourself just google Scientology deception.
I love the line up there where a Scientologist you said they "don't wear masks." I'm supporting what Anonymous is doing. And I do not wear a mask. Much like many of us who have followed this cult's activities for a while. And since I have no crimes to hide; not even a parking ticket, I walk w/o fear and do not care. Know me full and well, and I will still call you out for the cult you are. You see, you DO have masks, dear scientologist. They are called Narconon, CCHR, Applied Scholastics, WISE etc. I have been a member of and friend of many religious organizations over the decades and never in my life have I met one so determined to HIDE it's charity work under a secular banner. If you are truly a religious organization, one meant for HELPING people and not robbing them, then why hide the face of your true motives? To be honest, I have read Dianetics and Clear Mind, Clear Body and KSW as well as Science of Survival. I fid them, at best, interesting. At worst, deluded. The main problem I have with Scientology is not in it's beliefs. Whether you know of this Xenu story or not, matters nothing to me. What matters to me is the sheer determination to force your personal religious beliefs on others. The Christian Science religion also believes in homeopathy therapy. Which, btw, is all Dianetics is at the end of the day. The e-Meter, it does nothing unless you have been convinced it does by faith alone. Much like some other faiths believe in souls or ghosts, "thetans" are just another word for the same thing. And if you believe something can detect them, fine, believe that. But DO NOT, I repeat DO NOT even dare to come into my hospital or the my child's school and tell them that your RELIGIOUS beliefs should replace their MEDICAL practices. DON'T YOU DARE come and take away the legal rights I have to choose how to medicate and heal my own body. If you do not believe in blood transfusions (like some faiths do) It DOES NOT give you the right to protest and complain until that right is taken away from ALL individuals. This is where Scientology has crossed the line. Through your MASK. Your CCHR. You have proceeded to remove the rights of others to care for themselves how they see fit. THIS is a violation of the very Human Rights you said you were fighting for.
Anonymous does not protest the practice of $cientology. Anonymous supports freedom of religion and speech. Anonymous protests the crimes and abuses that the Cult of $cientology propagates. 'Operation Freakout' is not an exaggeration: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Freakout Larry Wollersheim's fight against the Co$ is not an exaggeration: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Wollersheim the systematic stalking of the BBC is not an exaggeration: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwTDvfjcUJU the Co$ went on to accuse the BBC of making 'terrorist death threats': http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditors/2007/05/investigating_scientology_1.html we protest peacefully. we inform people and let them decide for themselves. we do not forgive. we do not forget. expect us. http://www.whyweprotest.net/ http://www.enturbulation.org/ http://www.exscn.net/ http://www.xenu.net/ http://exscientologykids.com/
Scientology, through the front group of the CCHR, opposes all forms of psychiatric medicine and aims to destroy all psychiatrists and psychologists. Criticizing psychiatry is a good thing but Scientology and the CCHR is aiming to get rid of it and replace it with LR Hubbard tech. My mother is a schizophrenic. She went from being a wonderful person to being a complete stranger in a very short time. She was extremely smart, well educated, funny, healthy and fit (as in, took all her vitamins and exercised), and was a great mother. She became paranoid, moody, and lashed out and hurt everyone who loved her. She couldn't understand that we were not out to get her and that we were not monsters. But she was hallucinating, believing that her own children were putting thoughts in her mind and that she had somehow failed as a mother. I dealt with this while I was still a child. This is something I would never wish upon even my worst enemy. Eventually, she received psychiatric help. She has a hard time but at least my mother is back. She is no longer a danger to herself or others. She isn't afraid of everything around her anymore. Scientology says that she could be cured through vitamins and exercise. Scientology says that mental illness is somehow the fault of the person, as if they bring it upon themselves. Scientology says that she is a victim of psychiatry because how dare she get help to stop seeing horrible hallucinations. No. Psychiatry brought my mother back. With the help of medication, therapy, and family support, I got to talk to my mother again. This is one of the many, many reasons I am standing against the cult of Scientology. Oh and before the Scientologists start with the ad hominem arguments, I take no medications or drugs, save for prescribed antibiotics.
Ever hear of a church that gives present members a COMMISSION for every new member he brings in? $cientology does!
Scientology is a marvelous invention. It is a hybrid of a ponzi scheme, organized criminal organization and political party, all dressed up like a religion. I must salute L. Ron, he may have been a failed scifi writer, a con man and pseudo-scientist magic man, but let it never be said he didn't have a good understanding of the human mind. He preyed on human fear well, and backup his image and religion with something people trusted but knew too little to actually speak against and engaged in debate. (science was seen as the great and wonderful thing in 1950s and 1960s.) He borrowed and created his own philosophy to lead and defend his money tree, the Chruch of Scientology. Aggressive and for the most part efficient, him methods destroy his opponents by both legal and illegal means. His methods worked for almost 5 decades, bring to heel single individuals, opposing organizations of all sizes from volunteer groups (CAN)to multimillion-international business (Times), and even governmental organization that hasten to kneel before his awesome might (IRS). That is until Scientology meet the Internet. I wonder what L.Ron would have thought about this new opponent? Would he been able to devise a means to destroy the internet? Alas,we will never know as L.Ron died from a stroke, pickled in Vistaril, a psychatric drug to treat anxiety and neurosis. And given that L.Ron spend his life peddling bogus physics, biology, life threatening medical opinions and trying to destroy the field of psychiatry, it was almost as if he knew.. that one day psychiatry would be the end of him. It was no double, a combined effort by the BBC, Nazis, Communist, vengeful psychiatrist, the 4th or 5th Macabian Space fleet (The Intel from Scientology isn't certain if it is the 4th or 5th fleet hiding on the darkside of the moon) and of course the Pharmaceutical industry to kill such a great man.
What legitimate religion has prison camps? Child slave labor? It's very own "dirty tricks" department? Coerces abortions? Encourages the seperation of parents from children? Justice Latey, ruling in the High Court of London: "Scientology is both immoral and socially obnoxious...It is corrupt sinister and dangerous. It is corrupt because it is based on lies and deceit and has its real objective money and power for Mr. Hubbard... It is sinister because it indulges in infamous practices both to its adherents who do not toe the line unquestionably and to those who criticize it or oppose it. It is dangerous because it is out to capture people and to indoctrinate and brainwash them so they become the unquestioning captives and tools of the cult, withdrawn from ordinary thought, living, and relationships with others."
marc wrote: “I’ve been a Scientologist since 1970, and I’ve now been to most of the websites mentioned.” Congratulations. Did you bother reading them? marc wrote: “I’m college educated, ran the sales/marketing arm of what grew to an $800M technology company, have two grown kids. I’ve had the good fortune of being friends with many Tampa and Pinellas area businessmen. I am not a Church staff member. ” And I'm Sherlock Holmes headed for tea with the Queen of England. None of that is verifiable and its a statistical near certainly that you're Sea Org working for Office of Special Affairs. marc wrote: “My first question is whether your brother asked off the Scientology mailing list.” It wouldn't make any difference. The Church of Scientology will keep sending him promotional material until he's dead, and quite possibly after. If they don't, they'll lose a stat, and we both know perfectly well what happens at the org when the stats are down. Which they are. marc wrote:” Just about every “claim” in the above posts are either false, misleanding, propaganda, slanted or sensationalized. “ Would you care to point out one in specific or will you continue to deal in the broadest of generalities? marc wrote: “What strikes me is that I don’t believe anyone of these people have met a Scientologist and they certainly have no clue as to the theology, tenets, goals or aims of Scientology. “ You're speaking generalities again, but I'll work with it. 1)Theology-Scientology is not a religion, its a money making pyramid scheme. It has no theologians because any discussion of its tenants is 'out-ethics' .verbal tech.' 2)Tenets-I wanted a precise definition of this word. Here's what google found for me. 'dogma: a religious doctrine that is proclaimed as true without proof ' Now wait a minute, that can't be. There's no faith in Scientology, just what you have personally experienced and 'know' to be true. I guess that means Scientology doesn't have any tenets. 3)Goals+ Aims-Its not about creating a saner society where the able can prosper. Its about making money. Do you think Enron promised to scam investors in the corporate charter? marc wrote:-”They focus on minor incidents, most of which happened decades ago (if at all).” Yet another vague generality. How's your case gain coming along lately? Sec check! marc wrote:-” I have found Scientology to help me improve my life (which wasn’t bad in the first place) and raise two kids who are not on drugs and are contributing to a better culture for us all. “ Testimonials don't mean anything without also saying how many times something didn't work out of a given proportion. I can find testimonials at Fast Eddy's Used Pinto car lot, for Madam Cleo's supernatural powers, or the all Krispy Cream diet. They don't mean anything and only show Scientology to be the pseudo science that it is. marc wrote:-”No Church member EVER forced me to do anything, nor believe any data in Hubbards writings. As a matter of fact, just the opposite, I was encouraged to think for myself.” Sure Marc, Think for yourself, duplicate Ron. You guys should really use that in your internet advertising, which is working really well to counter Anonymous. LOL marc wrote:-” I met several of the Anon protestors two months ago. Two were drunk and they said they were there to “party”. They were obnoxious, called names and got off when a driver passed by and honked. “ And the dead agenting finally begins. Did you get this on video? Would have been a major PR win for guys, and don't kid yourself, you need it. Desperately. Pix or it didn't happen. Scientology will only 'help' you while the checks cash. Not that I would consider being turned into a cult member with 'fixed, dedicated glare' help. Btw Marc, about those 'New Basics...'
Terryeo wrote “Life is good when you know how. And Scientology has helped me understand Life. I’ve found it quite helpful. And have helped others with its ideas. “ Terryeo just had a Tom Cruise moment! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFBZ_uAbxS0
$cientology is all about control. Using bait and switch techniques, hypnosis (they say it isn't but it is) and emotional blackmail they then proceed to fleece of your every last penny. Scientology is a corporate pyramid scheme that acts like a cult and presents itself as a religion. Religion is free. Scientology is neither.
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